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welcome back to another great episode of

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uap studies i'm jason gilmet one of your

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co-hosts i'm joined again by louis

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borges how are you how's it going today

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louis it's going really good brother

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glad to be here and uh excited to chat

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with our guest another

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distinguished mufon investigator and we

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know all the good work they do and for

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those of our guests that don't know too

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much about mufon we're gonna break that

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down as well and give them the

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background of that so uh yeah i'll throw

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it back to you and let's welcome our

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guest absolutely so today we have jesse

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peak he's a certified mufon field

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investigator for the state of

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pennsylvania uh he's also part of mufon

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ert hopefully says that right

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experiences resource team

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he's investigator for the scientific

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coalition of uap studies which is really

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freaking cool

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with certifications in astronomy space

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exploration space advocacy mental health

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case management introduction to computer

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technologies basics of digital imaging

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powerpoint public speaking and

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disposition into investigation

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peek is also a published writer with the

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mufon monthly journal ex-13 bravo

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artillery cannon crew member in the

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national uh in the army national guard

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where he did his training for

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or at fort sales i should say oklahoma

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counselor for five years teaching

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classes to young adults and eagle scouts

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he's also the host of uap's encounters

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worldwide podcast

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jesse welcome to the podcast my man

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yeah thank you for having me man it's an

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honor to be here and finally have a

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conversation with you guys yeah i'm

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excited it's been a long time it's been

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a long time coming my man been a long

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time comment so uh basically yeah let's

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let's talk about your background um this

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this subject especially when you become

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a move on field investigator uh there's

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got to be something that really pushes

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you towards that something that really

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you know happened to you or something

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that grasps your imagination when it

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comes down to the subject of ufos and

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uaps so what was it for you that that

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that triggered that for you

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yeah i think it's um

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the the thing of being in service you

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know i've always been in service my

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entire life um starting out with blue

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scouts i was in there for about eight

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years earned my eagle scout

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um and we we constantly help people

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throughout that time um helping churches

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rebuild their their their infrastructure

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and and uh doing different projects for

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nature and global warming and different

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kind of stuff like that and then i got

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signed up immediately and it was about

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serving my country and and uh being

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there for the people that that needed it

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um and once i found out that there was a

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community for ufos man i hopped on that

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immediately um because

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you know you hear things over the years

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and when you're growing up about

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different people seeing different things

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in the sky and it's like you know this

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is interesting you know and i didn't

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have a sighting until a year after being

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a mufon field investigator so i didn't

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have no no sightings or experiences

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prior it was just more of the fact that

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i was interested in the subject and

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heard about this and took the classes

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and the training and and found that i

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could be an investigator to help other

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people in a different way so it kind of

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all falls in line you know

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right and what was that experience that

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you had once you became a field

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investigator was that part of the case

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or was it something that that happened

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so um i was really into the subject i

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believe that it's happening um i live

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with my father and he was real skeptic

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about this kind of stuff and we were

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actually driving i think it was a year

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year and a half after i had joined mufon

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that we were driving in the city and he

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actually seen some objects in the sky

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and pointed it out to me um it was four

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gold objects flying in like a two and

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um and then they formed into a single

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file and disappeared one at a time i

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actually have two still shoulders of it

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to show people that we actually seen

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something in the sky that day and that

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made him a believer as well as me

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um and i actually had some electrical

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malfunctions occur on my cell phone that

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video of it i had a brand new phone

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ranch where the phone kind of does that

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weird stuff and it does things by itself

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they continued to go and the phone

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clicked back on um but i had seen the

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first object and the second one

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disappeared just like that they didn't

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fly off they didn't zoom away they

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didn't land um just gone um and i was

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lucky to get the two still photos of the

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last two objects in the sky

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and that made him a believer

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um and he was kind of blown i mean he's

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60 something years old he's never seen

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something like that in his entire life

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and my training um west wisconsin

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military all that i've never seen like

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that myself so it kind of it was

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mind-blowing you know it kind of opened

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up both of our eyes the whole subject

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and also because you know sometimes you

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get that as a mufon field investigator

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or somebody says you know i tried to

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take pictures with my phone my phone

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wouldn't work this actually happened to

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you so that puts you in you know some of

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these people's shoes

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and be able to say i totally understand

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that that happened to me myself right so

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it kind of gives you that little edge

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to your investigations as well

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absolutely and i think people feel more

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um dealing with someone that has had a

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sighting rather than someone that hasn't

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they kind of get that that understanding

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with each other so they feel a lot more

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comfortable saying that oh you've seen

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something too so i'm not alone because

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the first thing most of our clients and

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people have before cases the first thing

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they say is you're going to think i'm

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crazy you know that's the first thing

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out of every one of their mouths i mean

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and then once you tell them that you've

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seen something as well they kind of that

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comfort level sets in and they're like

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knows what i'm what i've seen

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right you have any really notable cases

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of like people that have seen things you

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eliminated all the the what you know

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could be this could be that you know

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definitely what it wasn't but do you

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stuff that people saw that just kind of

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blew your mind as an investigator

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yeah there's a case i'm actually working

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on now um there was this uh the witness

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was with her friend and they were

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remodeling houses

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they were sitting on the roof about 3

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and where they were there was a facility

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that deals with nuclear

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nuclear contents and they seen this

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object come from that area and actually

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fly 20 to 30 feet over their head

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now in the area i did find that there

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was three different uh drone um

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corporations around them so i wanted to

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check with them and make sure that they

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weren't flying nothing at the night and

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make sure you know nothing that size

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could be possibly coming from them and

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they said they don't fly nothing over 30

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feet so and this object they said was at

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least 300 feet wide it was a large

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object that flew right over top of them

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and then also coming from a nuclear

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facility we hear that a lot robert salas

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um if you know the name

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and uh so this was extremely interesting

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so it's it's it's crazy the things that

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especially around nuclear facilities

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some politicians like larry mcguire

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point that out that we you know don't

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power stations or anything like that in

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canada but the ones that we do have seem

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to have some sightings quite a bit

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truckers that go from you know that

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debris or whatever over uh to another

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well so there's definitely something

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minings and now water as we know uh is

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sightings as well basically everywhere

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everywhere right

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but it's just interesting to hear that

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uh it's another nuclear facility that

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this item took place and 300 feet that

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craft that's not small and there's no

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ridiculously loud right and that's what

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she said when she reported the case said

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it was extremely silent yeah um and she

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didn't have she said she had a sense of

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calmness when it happened actually uh

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most people would be in fear but we know

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these things can kind of like uh

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manipulate our feelings in a sense we've

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heard that a lot of different cases so

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it was extremely interesting here in a

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nuclear facility that that that

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immediately caught my eye and then

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having that calmness with that large of

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an object flying only 20 to 30 feet

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that whole thing is it's it's

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interesting think of it was a helicopter

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that was 30 feet above you you wouldn't

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even be able to stand underneath it from

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the wind like you see helicopters land

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people are trying not to get their eyes

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torn out by shrapnel it's a violent

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thing there's a lot of air being moved

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so talk about something 300 feet

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right and the fact that these things can

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manipulate our feelings like that any

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normal person would be you know you

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you'd be having fear you wouldn't know

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what was happening to you but she said

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her and her friend were completely calm

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they didn't they didn't panic um they

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just sat there and kind of like an awe

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like this is this is they're they're

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making us feel like this is okay to

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happen um so you know we kind of look

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into that kind of stuff too and

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especially being a part of the mufon ert

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which is the experiential resource team

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i work with experiences on a daily basis

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and kind of work as a counselor and work

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them through the process of their

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experiences and uh i hear that over and

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over again that during experiences these

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et beings or whatever it is is is making

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them feel calm during these experiences

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yes the threat narrative jay you're

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always talking about it you don't see it

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as a threat but you've had other people

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say well hey wait a minute something

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comes to your house takes you out of

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your property does what they want with

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you brings you back or don't bring you

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back

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is that not a threat if that happened

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under any other circumstances but yet

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most times it's a benevolent feeling you

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know we interviewed randall nickerson

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who made that aerial phenomenon movie

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about the school sighting in africa and

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all the kids even though it was a mass

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sighting they all had a one-on-one

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experience with that entity they felt

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like they were directly communicating

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not as a group but one-on-one

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so i mean it just gets it gets crazier

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the more information you get on this

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kind of stuff right and how they how

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they actually communicate with us and

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it's

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when you get into it for us it seems

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like just another interesting story but

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people kind of on the outside world of

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this field they still have a hard time

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with the abduction phenomenon for sure

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especially with kids like if you think

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about the kids and experiences that they

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have you were talking about the aerial

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one

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i have two kids you know 10 and 12. i

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can't talk to them both at the same time

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you know the minute i talk to one the

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other one's not paying attention or if

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i'm trying to get them both like who did

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this and they're both not paying

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attention it's a matter that this little

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entity was able to get 60 school kids to

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pay attention to what it was saying

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yeah each on an individual level that

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you know that and they took messages

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away with them they felt some of them

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felt like it was a warning for the

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planet some of them felt like they were

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being invited to go with them so they

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all had unique experiences but they

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didn't feel like they all got the same

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message or they didn't feel like an

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audience to this thing they felt like a

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one-on-one and they each had a

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one-on-one i think it was 60 plus kids

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that all went through that at once right

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yeah president did a great job reporting

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on that uh he wrote a couple a couple

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books with these schoolyard sightings um

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and he got real in depth with it um i i

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actually interviewed them on my show and

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and uh the information these kids got

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and it still stands with them to this

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day it's it's it's it's built into their

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memory they'll never forget that kind of

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stuff you know and there was even one in

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um uh the uk as well there's been a few

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it's not like this is an isolated

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australia canada as well yeah yeah this

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has happened many times you know maybe

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they want to communicate with young

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people maybe the young people are less

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biased and more

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willing to absorb maybe they think hey

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if we want to get our message better

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indoctrinate the youth for the best

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chance of that right who knows

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yeah

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well even the uh the conflict that the

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kids had

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uh back in the day talking to the

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teachers about it or wanting to talk to

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their parents about it some of these

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parents were very fundamental christians

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so

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the the concept of uaps or visitation

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for instance especially at their kid's

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school was beyond them and they didn't

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want to address that and some of the

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kids ended up um getting

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ptsd because of it right uh was it emily

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in the movie yeah emily i think so yeah

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and she she went underwent like this big

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journey to try to figure out what the

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hell it all meant and she's still

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traumatized in a sense because of what

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happened right and they gave her that

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sense of closure so you know with

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some of these abductees at first

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it seems like the experience is

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traumatic when they first come back from

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it because obviously it's an alien

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experience it's not something that

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you're taking out of something that is

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common which is human build buildings to

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a craft that is not made by us

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to tables and entities that are not us

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uh you know that seems very

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scary but the fact is that you know i

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even heard uh jesse of people being

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tucked back into bed

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after they were brought back so have you

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had anything like that in your reports

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like have you had anybody

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get something that was overtly you could

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tell there was like some sort of

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compassion from these entities

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yeah i mean

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the first thing i think about when that

415
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hap when we talk about that kind of

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stuff is the betty and barney hill

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because she woke up with her dress put

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back on her um same with barney hill and

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yet she had some you know snips out of

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her dress some holes in her dress like

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something actually happened yeah and

422
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yeah we've we've had people that that

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talk about you know they're they're

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taken out of their bed they're flowing

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through walls um they remember being

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examined on a craft or some sort of

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something like that and then they're

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placed back in their bed and um usually

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clothes are just like betty had or on

430
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the wrong way or shirts upside down or

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inside out

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you hear that a lot with different

433
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people and it just shows that they kind

434
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of they're trying to make it so it's

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it's okay

436
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um you know so you get that a lot though

437
00:14:52,150 --> 00:14:49,920
when you're working with experiences on

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everyday basis and what made you want to

439
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work with the experiencer resource team

440
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like what pushed you towards that as

441
00:14:59,990 --> 00:14:58,560
well oh that's a separate thing in mufon

442
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there's like these different

443
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groups you can join within the

444
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organization so that one's very specific

445
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right now see i never had a ufo sighting

446
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prior to joining mufon but i've had

447
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experiences of weird things happen to me

448
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throughout my life

449
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and i'm actually learning more about

450
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that now as time goes on um every day

451
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i'm learning more new stuff about it um

452
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i've had things happen throughout my

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life that just kind of don't make sense

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and i guess ever since i joined mufon

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and started working with individuals

456
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interviewing people i started realizing

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that maybe these things that have

458
00:15:33,910 --> 00:15:32,079
happened to me aren't really

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what i thought it was um usually we

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think right away okay it's god looking

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over us or or that's how we relate to

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things because that's what we're taught

463
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right right um you know when i was young

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um i think i was like three or four

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years old um and somehow i slept walk up

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in our top apartment third floor um

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unlocked our door which i could not

468
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reach at the time and i was downstairs

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uh knocking on my cousin's door at on

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the second floor and the next thing i

471
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know i'm waking up on the couch watching

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tv with my cousin at three a.m in the

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morning

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um and this this this completely you

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know i'm thinking okay i just slept walk

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um but i was not able to reach the locks

477
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from the door and even when my parents

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said that they're like oh you must have

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just somehow did it you know and that's

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kind of how we just shoved it off

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um so things like that and even when i

482
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was uh you know i'm in the process of

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writing a book right now for philip

484
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mantle and flying this press and i'm

485
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kind of going through all my um

486
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experiences i've had when i was young

487
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but also another one is you know when i

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looked for santa claus when i was two or

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three years old um you know on christmas

490
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eve we if we were going to or from a

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family's member's house we'd always look

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up in the sky and see if we seen santa

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flying um you know going to other kids

494
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houses and there was a moment when we

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were parked at a stop play and i seen a

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light come out of the sky and my parents

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seen it as well and it was really odd it

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didn't have the normal faa uh standard

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lights with the red and green um it was

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just a white light and it came down it

501
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got larger and blew up like this went

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back up in the sky and came back down

503
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again and then went back up and

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disappeared

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um so these are the things that i'm

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finding out happening and then you know

507
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um probably

508
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right before i joined mufon i had a

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major experience in my room had a remote

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viewed um i had information given to me

511
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about what it might have been um uh i

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was supposedly uh portals opened up in

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my room

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um and something came to me and it's

515
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trying to show me a location which was

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described as a hill or a mountain with a

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river or a lake at the bottom of it

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and i have no idea what this means and

519
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this is what what i've been woken up in

520
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the middle of night multiple times i

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bring my cat in my room with me um

522
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during during this event that was

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happening during a couple week period

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and my cat would always see things in

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the room and i'd be sitting there on my

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battery in a book and she'd be at the

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bottom of my bed watching things happen

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and they say animals can see things on a

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different frequency than what humans can

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see dogs cats you know and and she was

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obviously watching something moving

532
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around so i kind of

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told some people that i was involved

534
00:18:06,150 --> 00:18:05,120
with time you know and let them know and

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00:18:08,230 --> 00:18:06,160
they said well maybe you're having

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experiences so just pay attention a

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little more

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and uh so every night i allowed the cat

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to come into my room and she would see

540
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these things walking around and it's

541
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like as if somebody was walking in my

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room from the same area that the remote

543
00:18:23,350 --> 00:18:20,640
viewer told me this portal was and i

544
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never described my room for the remote

545
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viewers so everything kind of clicked

546
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into place

547
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and it was real strange because you know

548
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i didn't believe in viewing and all that

549
00:18:33,029 --> 00:18:32,160
and until it happened it kind of blew my

550
00:18:34,710 --> 00:18:33,039
mind

551
00:18:36,870 --> 00:18:34,720
and she described this being as

552
00:18:38,789 --> 00:18:36,880
something that she has never seen before

553
00:18:40,710 --> 00:18:38,799
um her name is margie k she's actually

554
00:18:43,350 --> 00:18:40,720
the assistant state director for mufon

555
00:18:45,029 --> 00:18:43,360
in missouri and she does remote viewing

556
00:18:47,350 --> 00:18:45,039
and she told me this being was probably

557
00:18:48,390 --> 00:18:47,360
about eight feet tall long arms long

558
00:18:49,750 --> 00:18:48,400
fingers

559
00:18:52,390 --> 00:18:49,760
um and was just trying to get my

560
00:18:54,070 --> 00:18:52,400
attention to show me this place

561
00:18:55,909 --> 00:18:54,080
and that's the information i was given

562
00:18:57,270 --> 00:18:55,919
and ever since then i've kind of been on

563
00:18:59,190 --> 00:18:57,280
this this

564
00:19:01,430 --> 00:18:59,200
i don't whatever you want to call it

565
00:19:03,270 --> 00:19:01,440
trying to figure out what this is

566
00:19:05,909 --> 00:19:03,280
and during that time

567
00:19:07,669 --> 00:19:05,919
between then and now i've had dreams of

568
00:19:08,950 --> 00:19:07,679
being at this place but each dream is

569
00:19:11,430 --> 00:19:08,960
different

570
00:19:13,510 --> 00:19:11,440
one time i'll be back in in military in

571
00:19:15,750 --> 00:19:13,520
the military training and we'll be doing

572
00:19:17,430 --> 00:19:15,760
type rope over the river um coming from

573
00:19:19,669 --> 00:19:17,440
the mountain where i'll be in another

574
00:19:21,350 --> 00:19:19,679
dream with my family on on the side of

575
00:19:22,870 --> 00:19:21,360
the river with the mountain there

576
00:19:25,029 --> 00:19:22,880
camping with my family like we used to

577
00:19:26,710 --> 00:19:25,039
do back in the day and i still haven't

578
00:19:28,310 --> 00:19:26,720
been able to figure out exactly what

579
00:19:29,990 --> 00:19:28,320
they're trying to show me

580
00:19:32,710 --> 00:19:30,000
um so i've had and then i've had some

581
00:19:34,549 --> 00:19:32,720
stuff recently happen to me um about

582
00:19:36,150 --> 00:19:34,559
four nights ago i was

583
00:19:38,710 --> 00:19:36,160
i couldn't tell if i was dreaming if it

584
00:19:40,230 --> 00:19:38,720
was real so i keep a journal i always

585
00:19:41,669 --> 00:19:40,240
keep a journal and try to remember

586
00:19:43,190 --> 00:19:41,679
everything that happens to me so i can

587
00:19:45,590 --> 00:19:43,200
put it in place

588
00:19:47,270 --> 00:19:45,600
and i was being pulled out of bed either

589
00:19:48,150 --> 00:19:47,280
in a dream where it was real i could not

590
00:19:50,630 --> 00:19:48,160
tell

591
00:19:52,310 --> 00:19:50,640
um by my leg at one point and i find

592
00:19:54,630 --> 00:19:52,320
myself on the floor and have to wake up

593
00:19:56,870 --> 00:19:54,640
and get back on the bed um same thing

594
00:19:58,789 --> 00:19:56,880
with my arm might be pulled off the bed

595
00:20:00,870 --> 00:19:58,799
um so i'm trying to figure all this out

596
00:20:02,310 --> 00:20:00,880
and it's it's it's a crazy event that's

597
00:20:03,510 --> 00:20:02,320
happened to me and i really don't know

598
00:20:05,830 --> 00:20:03,520
what it's about

599
00:20:08,390 --> 00:20:05,840
um so that's kind of what made me get

600
00:20:10,310 --> 00:20:08,400
into the ert field because um it's a lot

601
00:20:12,710 --> 00:20:10,320
of the same stuff that these experiences

602
00:20:14,230 --> 00:20:12,720
are experiencing that i'm experiencing

603
00:20:16,549 --> 00:20:14,240
and i kind of want to get to the bottom

604
00:20:18,470 --> 00:20:16,559
of it in a sense you know yeah well it's

605
00:20:20,549 --> 00:20:18,480
kind of the same thing as the skinwalker

606
00:20:23,270 --> 00:20:20,559
ranch there's like a

607
00:20:25,029 --> 00:20:23,280
hitchhiker effect to it and i'm almost

608
00:20:27,029 --> 00:20:25,039
wondering because you're involved in so

609
00:20:28,789 --> 00:20:27,039
many cases with mufon if you haven't

610
00:20:30,950 --> 00:20:28,799
picked up a hitchhiker

611
00:20:32,470 --> 00:20:30,960
type effect uh that comes along with

612
00:20:35,270 --> 00:20:32,480
this because obviously if it's taken

613
00:20:37,350 --> 00:20:35,280
place in skinwalker and people that work

614
00:20:38,950 --> 00:20:37,360
on skinwalker including you know george

615
00:20:41,110 --> 00:20:38,960
and calm keller who are saying look

616
00:20:42,870 --> 00:20:41,120
we've had stuff come back

617
00:20:44,230 --> 00:20:42,880
with us like weird events have taken

618
00:20:46,470 --> 00:20:44,240
place at home because we've been

619
00:20:48,070 --> 00:20:46,480
investigating this location

620
00:20:49,750 --> 00:20:48,080
could be that it's something similar to

621
00:20:51,510 --> 00:20:49,760
somebody who's getting you know more and

622
00:20:53,990 --> 00:20:51,520
more involved into investigating into

623
00:20:56,549 --> 00:20:54,000
this pick up some sort of hitchhiker

624
00:20:58,470 --> 00:20:56,559
effect right so right yeah i'm just and

625
00:21:00,149 --> 00:20:58,480
i've had people tell me that you know

626
00:21:02,230 --> 00:21:00,159
they're saying hey jesse you realize

627
00:21:03,909 --> 00:21:02,240
that you jumped in first you're

628
00:21:06,310 --> 00:21:03,919
investigating sightings for people

629
00:21:07,590 --> 00:21:06,320
you're you're you're getting involved in

630
00:21:09,669 --> 00:21:07,600
other ways too

631
00:21:11,270 --> 00:21:09,679
um and they might see your frequency or

632
00:21:13,029 --> 00:21:11,280
your antenna up and they might be

633
00:21:15,029 --> 00:21:13,039
jumping on you because you're open to

634
00:21:16,470 --> 00:21:15,039
this right um so i've had many people

635
00:21:19,029 --> 00:21:16,480
tell me that which is

636
00:21:20,390 --> 00:21:19,039
you're telling me now too so yeah i

637
00:21:22,149 --> 00:21:20,400
found it really interesting when we

638
00:21:24,310 --> 00:21:22,159
interviewed george knapp and colin

639
00:21:26,390 --> 00:21:24,320
kelleher but mainly george knapp because

640
00:21:28,789 --> 00:21:26,400
he's been a nuts and bolts ufo guy for

641
00:21:30,470 --> 00:21:28,799
decades like since the 80s and then you

642
00:21:32,230 --> 00:21:30,480
know getting into different areas of

643
00:21:34,630 --> 00:21:32,240
things starts researching skinwalker

644
00:21:36,470 --> 00:21:34,640
ranch next thing you know his own mind

645
00:21:39,990 --> 00:21:36,480
is blown because he's like it's not just

646
00:21:42,549 --> 00:21:40,000
ufos it we're talking cryptids bigfoot

647
00:21:44,630 --> 00:21:42,559
you know blue orbs in the sky portals

648
00:21:46,870 --> 00:21:44,640
changes in temperature poltergeist

649
00:21:49,110 --> 00:21:46,880
activity it's like everything all at

650
00:21:51,430 --> 00:21:49,120
once and now there's nobody knows if

651
00:21:53,750 --> 00:21:51,440
they're connected are these things just

652
00:21:55,430 --> 00:21:53,760
one of many things that go on or bump in

653
00:21:57,510 --> 00:21:55,440
the night kind of thing or is there some

654
00:21:59,510 --> 00:21:57,520
kind of connection so the closer we

655
00:22:00,789 --> 00:21:59,520
thought we were getting to the answer

656
00:22:03,270 --> 00:22:00,799
now it's just getting more and more

657
00:22:04,630 --> 00:22:03,280
abstract and deeper down the rabbit hole

658
00:22:06,630 --> 00:22:04,640
and it's becoming

659
00:22:08,149 --> 00:22:06,640
increasingly difficult to wrap your mind

660
00:22:11,350 --> 00:22:08,159
around like what the hell is actually

661
00:22:12,710 --> 00:22:11,360
going on yeah yeah absolutely i agree

662
00:22:13,990 --> 00:22:12,720
completely

663
00:22:17,110 --> 00:22:14,000
that's why it bugs me whenever you see

664
00:22:19,110 --> 00:22:17,120
an article and it says ufo expert says

665
00:22:21,270 --> 00:22:19,120
yeah and i hate that like we're all

666
00:22:22,470 --> 00:22:21,280
students of this there's no ufo expert

667
00:22:24,470 --> 00:22:22,480
there's nobody's gonna kind of come out

668
00:22:27,590 --> 00:22:24,480
that has all the answers right yeah

669
00:22:29,669 --> 00:22:27,600
nobody no even the organization move on

670
00:22:31,909 --> 00:22:29,679
i mean we're just we're all students all

671
00:22:33,830 --> 00:22:31,919
we're doing is taking down the data

672
00:22:35,590 --> 00:22:33,840
uh you know capturing what we can

673
00:22:37,830 --> 00:22:35,600
capture and then try you know to

674
00:22:39,270 --> 00:22:37,840
eliminate what it could be that's that's

675
00:22:41,510 --> 00:22:39,280
the problem and some people don't know

676
00:22:43,430 --> 00:22:41,520
that the bulk of our job is to say you

677
00:22:44,870 --> 00:22:43,440
know was it a celestial object were you

678
00:22:46,390 --> 00:22:44,880
looking at something that could be

679
00:22:48,230 --> 00:22:46,400
explained

680
00:22:50,310 --> 00:22:48,240
we're trying to knock out all the stuff

681
00:22:51,350 --> 00:22:50,320
that could possibly have led to that

682
00:22:52,630 --> 00:22:51,360
sighting

683
00:22:55,909 --> 00:22:52,640
and

684
00:22:57,830 --> 00:22:55,919
i've had the case here uh jesse was

685
00:23:00,390 --> 00:22:57,840
people saw three lights at three

686
00:23:01,909 --> 00:23:00,400
different times during their walk

687
00:23:03,909 --> 00:23:01,919
turned out it was one of those uh

688
00:23:06,230 --> 00:23:03,919
firefighter planes that comes down to

689
00:23:07,909 --> 00:23:06,240
swoops water from the lake

690
00:23:09,590 --> 00:23:07,919
uh so that's what they saw they saw this

691
00:23:12,390 --> 00:23:09,600
light coming towards the lake then they

692
00:23:13,990 --> 00:23:12,400
saw two lights crisscrossing in the sky

693
00:23:15,270 --> 00:23:14,000
uh they were really really bright one of

694
00:23:17,750 --> 00:23:15,280
them was an airplane the other one was

695
00:23:19,430 --> 00:23:17,760
the international space station so you

696
00:23:22,070 --> 00:23:19,440
know once we can rule that out and make

697
00:23:23,270 --> 00:23:22,080
this extraordinary sighting for these

698
00:23:24,789 --> 00:23:23,280
people

699
00:23:27,190 --> 00:23:24,799
and bring it down to actually this is

700
00:23:29,669 --> 00:23:27,200
what you saw this is what you saw

701
00:23:31,990 --> 00:23:29,679
that's primarily our job at mufon is to

702
00:23:34,710 --> 00:23:32,000
try to identify it it's when we can

703
00:23:36,070 --> 00:23:34,720
identify that it gets fun right that's

704
00:23:37,830 --> 00:23:36,080
when it becomes you know you can

705
00:23:40,149 --> 00:23:37,840
actually write in your report

706
00:23:42,390 --> 00:23:40,159
this is unidentified i can't pin it down

707
00:23:44,789 --> 00:23:42,400
to what it is those are fun

708
00:23:46,390 --> 00:23:44,799
but yeah that's have you had a case at

709
00:23:48,310 --> 00:23:46,400
all where somebody really fought you on

710
00:23:49,510 --> 00:23:48,320
something that was plain and simple that

711
00:23:51,909 --> 00:23:49,520
it was

712
00:23:53,830 --> 00:23:51,919
a plain or simple but uh they still

713
00:23:55,110 --> 00:23:53,840
funny one yeah it's funny you ask this

714
00:23:56,549 --> 00:23:55,120
question because

715
00:23:58,549 --> 00:23:56,559
the case before the one i'm working on

716
00:24:01,350 --> 00:23:58,559
with the nuclear stuff um

717
00:24:03,350 --> 00:24:01,360
it was a lady and her boyfriend and they

718
00:24:05,269 --> 00:24:03,360
were down by the delaware river in

719
00:24:07,430 --> 00:24:05,279
philadelphia and there's a bridge there

720
00:24:08,950 --> 00:24:07,440
and during the night they have different

721
00:24:11,350 --> 00:24:08,960
lights all over the bridge and on

722
00:24:13,669 --> 00:24:11,360
different sides of the river and she saw

723
00:24:15,110 --> 00:24:13,679
this object well they took pictures they

724
00:24:16,630 --> 00:24:15,120
didn't see the object when they were

725
00:24:18,149 --> 00:24:16,640
taking the picture

726
00:24:21,430 --> 00:24:18,159
but afterwards when they looked at them

727
00:24:23,029 --> 00:24:21,440
they found a light in the sky

728
00:24:24,470 --> 00:24:23,039
now what i found out was i ran it

729
00:24:26,950 --> 00:24:24,480
through a couple different programs

730
00:24:28,630 --> 00:24:26,960
found out that it was a reflection from

731
00:24:30,230 --> 00:24:28,640
one of these lights in the sky and even

732
00:24:31,990 --> 00:24:30,240
the data um

733
00:24:34,070 --> 00:24:32,000
the programs that i ran through was

734
00:24:35,750 --> 00:24:34,080
telling me this yeah and it even matched

735
00:24:37,750 --> 00:24:35,760
the same color as one of the lights

736
00:24:39,990 --> 00:24:37,760
across the river on a building

737
00:24:42,070 --> 00:24:40,000
now once i sent that in the lady

738
00:24:44,549 --> 00:24:42,080
immediately responded with an email and

739
00:24:47,510 --> 00:24:44,559
i mean it was it was the worst i mean

740
00:24:48,789 --> 00:24:47,520
she really came at me hard yeah she was

741
00:24:50,310 --> 00:24:48,799
telling me that i don't know what i'm

742
00:24:52,549 --> 00:24:50,320
talking about she's been a big fan of

743
00:24:54,950 --> 00:24:52,559
mufon for years and now that she's had

744
00:24:57,510 --> 00:24:54,960
this to happen to her she's gonna

745
00:24:59,669 --> 00:24:57,520
not refer everybody to mufon anymore and

746
00:25:01,990 --> 00:24:59,679
she's really upset about the findings

747
00:25:03,669 --> 00:25:02,000
and i and i easily try to explain things

748
00:25:06,470 --> 00:25:03,679
i always send a letter

749
00:25:09,269 --> 00:25:06,480
once i get my disposition on my case um

750
00:25:11,669 --> 00:25:09,279
and i try to explain exactly how i found

751
00:25:13,110 --> 00:25:11,679
the answer to your case and uh even with

752
00:25:15,350 --> 00:25:13,120
that and i tried to talk to her a little

753
00:25:17,510 --> 00:25:15,360
more she completely knocked me off and

754
00:25:19,510 --> 00:25:17,520
and wouldn't answer me anymore so yeah

755
00:25:21,669 --> 00:25:19,520
that's i mean i try to do the best i can

756
00:25:24,230 --> 00:25:21,679
and and you know i've had people in the

757
00:25:25,909 --> 00:25:24,240
in the past thank me for letting them

758
00:25:27,590 --> 00:25:25,919
know that it's something that was easily

759
00:25:28,870 --> 00:25:27,600
identified and that would do the work to

760
00:25:30,310 --> 00:25:28,880
find that out

761
00:25:32,149 --> 00:25:30,320
and it's a shame that people get that

762
00:25:33,909 --> 00:25:32,159
way i think i feel like they're

763
00:25:35,750 --> 00:25:33,919
they feel like they're being insulted

764
00:25:37,830 --> 00:25:35,760
yeah that you know what i mean but it's

765
00:25:39,430 --> 00:25:37,840
not like that because people really

766
00:25:40,870 --> 00:25:39,440
aren't informed they don't have the

767
00:25:43,350 --> 00:25:40,880
knowledge of this kind of stuff that

768
00:25:45,830 --> 00:25:43,360
occurs on an everyday basis that will be

769
00:25:47,590 --> 00:25:45,840
easily seen as a ufo when it's not you

770
00:25:50,070 --> 00:25:47,600
know so it's hard

771
00:25:51,909 --> 00:25:50,080
i remember a car trip when i was a kid i

772
00:25:53,430 --> 00:25:51,919
was about maybe eight years old and we

773
00:25:55,350 --> 00:25:53,440
just went out for a cruise one night and

774
00:25:57,430 --> 00:25:55,360
my mom's freaking out because there's

775
00:25:58,950 --> 00:25:57,440
this light that keeps appearing

776
00:26:00,710 --> 00:25:58,960
and disappearing every once in a while

777
00:26:02,870 --> 00:26:00,720
in this cloud that's quite close to us

778
00:26:05,110 --> 00:26:02,880
and she's freaking out and oh my god eve

779
00:26:06,710 --> 00:26:05,120
what is that my dad of course and he's

780
00:26:09,269 --> 00:26:06,720
like i don't know because he's blind as

781
00:26:11,990 --> 00:26:09,279
a bad he can't see anything right uh and

782
00:26:14,149 --> 00:26:12,000
it turned out it was just the local air

783
00:26:16,070 --> 00:26:14,159
f uh airport that had that flashing

784
00:26:17,669 --> 00:26:16,080
light that goes around and it was just

785
00:26:19,830 --> 00:26:17,679
flashing every once in a while in that

786
00:26:21,350 --> 00:26:19,840
cloud but she was adamant you know for

787
00:26:23,269 --> 00:26:21,360
quite some freaking everybody out in the

788
00:26:25,510 --> 00:26:23,279
car that there was this light above us

789
00:26:27,750 --> 00:26:25,520
so you know once you i even got caught

790
00:26:29,669 --> 00:26:27,760
on that that's what made me join mufon i

791
00:26:32,070 --> 00:26:29,679
woke up at one o'clock at night i went

792
00:26:33,750 --> 00:26:32,080
outside and there's this bright light

793
00:26:35,029 --> 00:26:33,760
that just pops out of nowhere and it's

794
00:26:36,549 --> 00:26:35,039
intense and all of a sudden there's

795
00:26:39,190 --> 00:26:36,559
another bright light that pops up and

796
00:26:40,549 --> 00:26:39,200
i'm like oh my god capturing on my phone

797
00:26:42,710 --> 00:26:40,559
you could hear me breathing and doing

798
00:26:45,430 --> 00:26:42,720
the commentating you know like it's one

799
00:26:47,909 --> 00:26:45,440
o'clock in the morning on june 21st

800
00:26:51,590 --> 00:26:47,919
and uh i found out later that they were

801
00:26:53,750 --> 00:26:51,600
just flares there's a rcmp detachment

802
00:26:55,350 --> 00:26:53,760
close by and they do the flare exercise

803
00:26:57,830 --> 00:26:55,360
every once in a while by the river so

804
00:26:59,350 --> 00:26:57,840
what i capture is were flares right i

805
00:27:01,750 --> 00:26:59,360
felt stupid but at the same time i'm

806
00:27:03,350 --> 00:27:01,760
like i discovered what it was

807
00:27:05,510 --> 00:27:03,360
this could be simple this is something

808
00:27:07,190 --> 00:27:05,520
i'm possibly able to do so that's what

809
00:27:08,950 --> 00:27:07,200
pushed me towards wanting to join move

810
00:27:11,750 --> 00:27:08,960
on was the fact that i was able to

811
00:27:13,590 --> 00:27:11,760
identify my own siding and uh yeah not

812
00:27:15,269 --> 00:27:13,600
freak out too much but like i said i got

813
00:27:17,430 --> 00:27:15,279
caught in it too so i understand from

814
00:27:18,870 --> 00:27:17,440
their point of view um what it feels

815
00:27:20,710 --> 00:27:18,880
like like you weren't there man you

816
00:27:22,230 --> 00:27:20,720
didn't see what we saw but

817
00:27:24,149 --> 00:27:22,240
absolutely yeah just that common

818
00:27:26,310 --> 00:27:24,159
explanation sometimes is what what we

819
00:27:27,990 --> 00:27:26,320
need to humble us back down right yeah

820
00:27:29,830 --> 00:27:28,000
it's all about educating yourself you

821
00:27:31,909 --> 00:27:29,840
know i mean try to educate yourself try

822
00:27:33,190 --> 00:27:31,919
to get involved to learn these things so

823
00:27:34,870 --> 00:27:33,200
then when you see them you're able to

824
00:27:37,590 --> 00:27:34,880
identify them you know what i mean and

825
00:27:39,269 --> 00:27:37,600
it's it's you know what do you uh

826
00:27:41,350 --> 00:27:39,279
surmise from all this i mean based on

827
00:27:43,190 --> 00:27:41,360
your research and reports you've read

828
00:27:45,269 --> 00:27:43,200
there's so many possibilities like are

829
00:27:47,590 --> 00:27:45,279
these interstellar creatures traveling

830
00:27:49,350 --> 00:27:47,600
and craft are they interdimensional are

831
00:27:51,990 --> 00:27:49,360
they already here and they just are in

832
00:27:54,230 --> 00:27:52,000
the oceans or whatever like what are

833
00:27:57,110 --> 00:27:54,240
your kind of what's your hypothesis on

834
00:27:58,630 --> 00:27:57,120
the whole alien and uap phenomenon

835
00:28:00,549 --> 00:27:58,640
i mean

836
00:28:02,470 --> 00:28:00,559
the bottom line is i i know that

837
00:28:03,269 --> 00:28:02,480
something is here i don't know what it

838
00:28:07,350 --> 00:28:03,279
is

839
00:28:08,870 --> 00:28:07,360
obviously something that we have no idea

840
00:28:10,549 --> 00:28:08,880
what it is the government's admitting

841
00:28:14,470 --> 00:28:10,559
that they have no idea what it is it's

842
00:28:17,029 --> 00:28:14,480
not russia or china and it's it's way

843
00:28:18,389 --> 00:28:17,039
way above our technology i mean i mean

844
00:28:19,750 --> 00:28:18,399
it could be hundreds of thousands of

845
00:28:22,870 --> 00:28:19,760
years ahead of us

846
00:28:25,669 --> 00:28:22,880
um and i just feel like that

847
00:28:28,389 --> 00:28:25,679
we live in such a small little part of a

848
00:28:30,389 --> 00:28:28,399
big universe just like if you go into a

849
00:28:31,990 --> 00:28:30,399
different country right and you go into

850
00:28:33,750 --> 00:28:32,000
a rainforest you're still going to find

851
00:28:35,750 --> 00:28:33,760
stuff that we have never even found

852
00:28:37,350 --> 00:28:35,760
before sure in the history books and

853
00:28:39,190 --> 00:28:37,360
it's the same way in the universe and i

854
00:28:42,710 --> 00:28:39,200
mean being a part of the planetary

855
00:28:45,350 --> 00:28:42,720
society we there's 30 million earth-like

856
00:28:47,990 --> 00:28:45,360
planets and each one of those has two

857
00:28:50,230 --> 00:28:48,000
different other planets surrounding them

858
00:28:52,710 --> 00:28:50,240
that could have life on i mean if you

859
00:28:54,470 --> 00:28:52,720
just think if that's just one and it

860
00:28:55,990 --> 00:28:54,480
could be microbial it could be anything

861
00:28:58,070 --> 00:28:56,000
and it could have been so far advanced

862
00:28:59,909 --> 00:28:58,080
ahead of us that we have no idea the

863
00:29:01,430 --> 00:28:59,919
possibilities are endless

864
00:29:03,830 --> 00:29:01,440
um so i do believe that there is

865
00:29:05,590 --> 00:29:03,840
something out there that is visiting us

866
00:29:09,269 --> 00:29:05,600
whether it could even be us in the

867
00:29:11,510 --> 00:29:09,279
future i mean you know a lot of uh i i i

868
00:29:12,470 --> 00:29:11,520
investigated the the early

869
00:29:13,190 --> 00:29:12,480
airship

870
00:29:22,950 --> 00:29:13,200
uh

871
00:29:23,909 --> 00:29:22,960
crafts with people that looked just like

872
00:29:25,669 --> 00:29:23,919
them

873
00:29:27,029 --> 00:29:25,679
and they would just land and hurry up

874
00:29:29,269 --> 00:29:27,039
and do some stuff and they would they

875
00:29:31,350 --> 00:29:29,279
would make contact with these people

876
00:29:33,350 --> 00:29:31,360
and it just makes me think that maybe

877
00:29:35,750 --> 00:29:33,360
okay we've been here before and we're

878
00:29:37,750 --> 00:29:35,760
coming back in time to try to either

879
00:29:39,029 --> 00:29:37,760
observe and see what we did wrong or see

880
00:29:40,630 --> 00:29:39,039
what we can fix

881
00:29:42,389 --> 00:29:40,640
but there's always that possibility that

882
00:29:43,750 --> 00:29:42,399
there are other creatures out there and

883
00:29:45,190 --> 00:29:43,760
other things that we just don't know

884
00:29:47,430 --> 00:29:45,200
about just like

885
00:29:49,510 --> 00:29:47,440
when we go and we tag cattle where we

886
00:29:50,710 --> 00:29:49,520
tag pigs um they're doing the same thing

887
00:29:53,029 --> 00:29:50,720
when you hear people say yeah i was

888
00:29:55,750 --> 00:29:53,039
taking in a ship and i was operated on

889
00:29:57,350 --> 00:29:55,760
where an implant was placed in me um dr

890
00:29:59,430 --> 00:29:57,360
roger lear i mean he describes this

891
00:30:01,190 --> 00:29:59,440
stuff so good in his book

892
00:30:02,630 --> 00:30:01,200
um and what it's made out of it's made

893
00:30:05,990 --> 00:30:02,640
out of these implants are made out of

894
00:30:07,430 --> 00:30:06,000
meter meteorites i mean there's no we we

895
00:30:09,909 --> 00:30:07,440
can't do that

896
00:30:11,830 --> 00:30:09,919
yeah so i mean if you really do your

897
00:30:13,269 --> 00:30:11,840
work and your due diligence and you look

898
00:30:16,149 --> 00:30:13,279
into this stuff you're gonna see that

899
00:30:18,230 --> 00:30:16,159
there's something to it you know um what

900
00:30:20,470 --> 00:30:18,240
it is i don't know exactly but i know

901
00:30:22,230 --> 00:30:20,480
that something is happening

902
00:30:23,669 --> 00:30:22,240
well what's what's fascinating about you

903
00:30:26,310 --> 00:30:23,679
know talking with people that have had

904
00:30:28,470 --> 00:30:26,320
close encounters or abductions is that

905
00:30:30,950 --> 00:30:28,480
every single time they're aboard a ship

906
00:30:32,950 --> 00:30:30,960
there's a room specifically designed

907
00:30:33,830 --> 00:30:32,960
with the medical table to have a human

908
00:30:36,149 --> 00:30:33,840
on it

909
00:30:37,990 --> 00:30:36,159
and have devices and all sorts of

910
00:30:39,190 --> 00:30:38,000
technological advancement come out of

911
00:30:41,430 --> 00:30:39,200
the walls

912
00:30:44,389 --> 00:30:41,440
and implant things or put needles in

913
00:30:47,029 --> 00:30:44,399
them like these ships are designed

914
00:30:49,029 --> 00:30:47,039
to do stuff with us uh so you know if

915
00:30:50,870 --> 00:30:49,039
they're interdimensional then that means

916
00:30:53,190 --> 00:30:50,880
that that there's an intention back

917
00:30:55,350 --> 00:30:53,200
there if they're extraterrestrial well

918
00:30:57,909 --> 00:30:55,360
it seems like it's either the shape of a

919
00:30:59,830 --> 00:30:57,919
human body is common without throughout

920
00:31:00,789 --> 00:30:59,840
the universe or they're specifically

921
00:31:02,950 --> 00:31:00,799
here

922
00:31:05,590 --> 00:31:02,960
to do something with us

923
00:31:07,509 --> 00:31:05,600
so that's a common thing with these

924
00:31:09,590 --> 00:31:07,519
ships is that there's always a room for

925
00:31:11,269 --> 00:31:09,600
that now there's no cafeteria

926
00:31:13,029 --> 00:31:11,279
there's no bathrooms

927
00:31:14,870 --> 00:31:13,039
right these things don't seem to need to

928
00:31:16,870 --> 00:31:14,880
to go to the bathroom or they have a

929
00:31:18,630 --> 00:31:16,880
base close by so they don't maybe they

930
00:31:20,549 --> 00:31:18,640
just never showed anybody the bathroom

931
00:31:22,149 --> 00:31:20,559
like maybe it's for staff only yeah

932
00:31:23,590 --> 00:31:22,159
maybe it just comes out of the walls you

933
00:31:25,430 --> 00:31:23,600
know like you're gonna be here ten

934
00:31:26,630 --> 00:31:25,440
minutes no you can't use the bathroom

935
00:31:27,990 --> 00:31:26,640
all right you go to the grocery store

936
00:31:30,470 --> 00:31:28,000
they won't even let you use the bathroom

937
00:31:32,149 --> 00:31:30,480
so i get that

938
00:31:33,669 --> 00:31:32,159
you're gonna make a mess like last time

939
00:31:35,350 --> 00:31:33,679
you're not yeah you're not humans

940
00:31:38,070 --> 00:31:35,360
everywhere yeah

941
00:31:39,750 --> 00:31:38,080
just make it at all yeah

942
00:31:41,269 --> 00:31:39,760
but i thought that was fascinating

943
00:31:43,669 --> 00:31:41,279
because you know

944
00:31:45,669 --> 00:31:43,679
even the sports model as bob lazar calls

945
00:31:47,990 --> 00:31:45,679
it like they seem to be you know that

946
00:31:49,909 --> 00:31:48,000
one doesn't have any

947
00:31:51,830 --> 00:31:49,919
rooms to operate people on it seems like

948
00:31:53,350 --> 00:31:51,840
it's just like a cruiser

949
00:31:55,029 --> 00:31:53,360
but it's interesting like you hear about

950
00:31:58,389 --> 00:31:55,039
the details like people are saying that

951
00:32:00,389 --> 00:31:58,399
oh it's uh the walls run into the floor

952
00:32:02,549 --> 00:32:00,399
the floor runs into the ceiling there's

953
00:32:03,669 --> 00:32:02,559
no cracks anywhere there's no seams and

954
00:32:05,350 --> 00:32:03,679
it sounds like

955
00:32:07,590 --> 00:32:05,360
yeah it and now we're able to do that

956
00:32:09,350 --> 00:32:07,600
with 3d printing right we're able to

957
00:32:11,909 --> 00:32:09,360
create this stuff and there's no seams

958
00:32:13,669 --> 00:32:11,919
anywhere it's all connected and

959
00:32:15,269 --> 00:32:13,679
there's those little details to hear

960
00:32:17,430 --> 00:32:15,279
everyone somewhat from these abductees

961
00:32:18,789 --> 00:32:17,440
so you're like ah there's a common

962
00:32:20,950 --> 00:32:18,799
thread throughout this i think

963
00:32:22,870 --> 00:32:20,960
eventually we'll we'll catch on to

964
00:32:23,830 --> 00:32:22,880
what this phenomenon is about but until

965
00:32:25,350 --> 00:32:23,840
then

966
00:32:27,029 --> 00:32:25,360
yeah sleep tight

967
00:32:28,710 --> 00:32:27,039
yeah i mean one of the big things that

968
00:32:31,750 --> 00:32:28,720
i'm working on now is it's called

969
00:32:33,430 --> 00:32:31,760
project bat tech 404 okay um it's a

970
00:32:34,870 --> 00:32:33,440
project that i found it and handpicked

971
00:32:36,870 --> 00:32:34,880
the team and we're actually looking at

972
00:32:38,950 --> 00:32:36,880
electrical malfunctions that are

973
00:32:40,310 --> 00:32:38,960
associated with these ufo sightings and

974
00:32:42,789 --> 00:32:40,320
encounters

975
00:32:45,110 --> 00:32:42,799
we created an entire databases like

976
00:32:47,269 --> 00:32:45,120
mufon has about but it's all em

977
00:32:49,110 --> 00:32:47,279
encounters and we kind of want to

978
00:32:51,269 --> 00:32:49,120
understand their technology and how

979
00:32:52,549 --> 00:32:51,279
they're affecting our technology

980
00:32:54,789 --> 00:32:52,559
and that will kind of give us an

981
00:32:56,710 --> 00:32:54,799
understanding of how far ahead they are

982
00:32:58,950 --> 00:32:56,720
uh what they're working with and why

983
00:33:00,630 --> 00:32:58,960
they're doing it um we've had so many

984
00:33:02,310 --> 00:33:00,640
different people report to us plus we're

985
00:33:04,310 --> 00:33:02,320
doing historical cases and we've had

986
00:33:06,070 --> 00:33:04,320
other organizations join us

987
00:33:07,990 --> 00:33:06,080
we're actually working with kufos at the

988
00:33:10,310 --> 00:33:08,000
moment with their electrical malfunction

989
00:33:12,549 --> 00:33:10,320
um stuff we have some scientists from

990
00:33:14,230 --> 00:33:12,559
the canadian space agency and aerospace

991
00:33:15,509 --> 00:33:14,240
people that have joined the project

992
00:33:17,350 --> 00:33:15,519
already as well

993
00:33:19,750 --> 00:33:17,360
um i have an assistant director a couple

994
00:33:21,430 --> 00:33:19,760
different people and we're building an

995
00:33:23,669 --> 00:33:21,440
entire database and finding these

996
00:33:25,750 --> 00:33:23,679
similarities with people that have had

997
00:33:27,909 --> 00:33:25,760
these events happen to them and for how

998
00:33:30,070 --> 00:33:27,919
long we're finding that there's a range

999
00:33:32,710 --> 00:33:30,080
that they have to be in within in order

1000
00:33:34,710 --> 00:33:32,720
to affect our technology um and i just

1001
00:33:37,029 --> 00:33:34,720
feel that ever since that day when i had

1002
00:33:39,110 --> 00:33:37,039
my sighting my phone went wacky it kind

1003
00:33:41,830 --> 00:33:39,120
of gave me the inspiration for this

1004
00:33:43,909 --> 00:33:41,840
project and it's just grown so much

1005
00:33:45,750 --> 00:33:43,919
um and i think it's just one aspect of

1006
00:33:47,509 --> 00:33:45,760
us understanding this phenomenon in

1007
00:33:49,269 --> 00:33:47,519
general if we kind of look at that

1008
00:33:51,350 --> 00:33:49,279
technology aspect

1009
00:33:53,750 --> 00:33:51,360
so it's pretty it's pretty cool you know

1010
00:33:55,750 --> 00:33:53,760
technology is so basic probably for them

1011
00:33:57,909 --> 00:33:55,760
that it's not hard for them to just

1012
00:33:59,669 --> 00:33:57,919
knock it out right right it's not like

1013
00:34:02,230 --> 00:33:59,679
we have anything impressive we're just

1014
00:34:03,190 --> 00:34:02,240
at the start of our scientific awakening

1015
00:34:05,110 --> 00:34:03,200
they're

1016
00:34:06,950 --> 00:34:05,120
light years you know probably thousands

1017
00:34:09,190 --> 00:34:06,960
thousands of years ahead of us or a

1018
00:34:11,510 --> 00:34:09,200
possibility that you can have two

1019
00:34:14,470 --> 00:34:11,520
species that start at the same time it's

1020
00:34:17,030 --> 00:34:14,480
just one's way way way much smarter and

1021
00:34:18,470 --> 00:34:17,040
develops faster and better technology

1022
00:34:20,470 --> 00:34:18,480
than the other one the other one's quite

1023
00:34:22,149 --> 00:34:20,480
slow at it right so that's another

1024
00:34:24,230 --> 00:34:22,159
option that we have to look at as well

1025
00:34:26,869 --> 00:34:24,240
is uh but either way they're more

1026
00:34:28,629 --> 00:34:26,879
advanced so our technology seems to

1027
00:34:30,310 --> 00:34:28,639
dwindle compared to theirs and doesn't

1028
00:34:33,190 --> 00:34:30,320
seem to work at all right

1029
00:34:34,710 --> 00:34:33,200
right but we did find out um diesel

1030
00:34:37,909 --> 00:34:34,720
engines okay

1031
00:34:39,589 --> 00:34:37,919
um i think it was 1974

1032
00:34:41,990 --> 00:34:39,599
but before that time

1033
00:34:43,909 --> 00:34:42,000
ufos were not able to affect diesel

1034
00:34:45,510 --> 00:34:43,919
engines and we've had sightings where

1035
00:34:47,510 --> 00:34:45,520
diesel and combustion engines were

1036
00:34:49,030 --> 00:34:47,520
sitting right next to each other

1037
00:34:50,550 --> 00:34:49,040
and the combustion engine would shut

1038
00:34:52,310 --> 00:34:50,560
down all the electronics but in the

1039
00:34:54,389 --> 00:34:52,320
diesel engine the radio would shut down

1040
00:34:55,270 --> 00:34:54,399
the lights but the engine would not shut

1041
00:34:57,510 --> 00:34:55,280
down

1042
00:34:59,510 --> 00:34:57,520
and we've what we found out is that

1043
00:35:01,829 --> 00:34:59,520
diesel engines usually take one spark

1044
00:35:03,349 --> 00:35:01,839
and then once it's started it continues

1045
00:35:04,550 --> 00:35:03,359
to run and run and run it doesn't need

1046
00:35:07,750 --> 00:35:04,560
that electric

1047
00:35:09,829 --> 00:35:07,760
but and and uh 1974 i think i think

1048
00:35:11,990 --> 00:35:09,839
that's the year um they actually came

1049
00:35:14,310 --> 00:35:12,000
out with new emission standards they

1050
00:35:16,790 --> 00:35:14,320
needed to update these engines and from

1051
00:35:18,790 --> 00:35:16,800
that point on once they made these new

1052
00:35:20,230 --> 00:35:18,800
emission standards the engines were able

1053
00:35:23,030 --> 00:35:20,240
to be affected

1054
00:35:24,870 --> 00:35:23,040
during normal ufo events um so what

1055
00:35:26,630 --> 00:35:24,880
we're trying to look at right now is how

1056
00:35:29,109 --> 00:35:26,640
these diesel engines were actually built

1057
00:35:30,630 --> 00:35:29,119
back in the day to see if maybe we can

1058
00:35:32,470 --> 00:35:30,640
figure out what

1059
00:35:34,630 --> 00:35:32,480
didn't make that be affected and how we

1060
00:35:36,630 --> 00:35:34,640
can implement that today to stop that

1061
00:35:38,310 --> 00:35:36,640
from happening in the future

1062
00:35:40,630 --> 00:35:38,320
um so there's a lot of different cool

1063
00:35:42,310 --> 00:35:40,640
little aspects in this yeah that's cool

1064
00:35:44,870 --> 00:35:42,320
they didn't know that that was a thing

1065
00:35:47,270 --> 00:35:44,880
so 1974 is when they made that switch

1066
00:35:49,270 --> 00:35:47,280
yeah i believe it was 1974 somewhere

1067
00:35:50,950 --> 00:35:49,280
around there yeah it's on the website i

1068
00:35:53,430 --> 00:35:50,960
forget the exact year but it was in the

1069
00:35:55,349 --> 00:35:53,440
70s yet oh that's cool you mentioned the

1070
00:35:57,030 --> 00:35:55,359
cell phones going crazy and we had

1071
00:35:59,910 --> 00:35:57,040
thomas winterton from the skinwalker

1072
00:36:02,230 --> 00:35:59,920
ranch program on our show and at one of

1073
00:36:04,150 --> 00:36:02,240
their episodes one of their crew had a

1074
00:36:05,990 --> 00:36:04,160
phone that went bananas and it was like

1075
00:36:08,390 --> 00:36:06,000
breaking the password opening all the

1076
00:36:10,630 --> 00:36:08,400
apps at the same time going nuts and

1077
00:36:12,630 --> 00:36:10,640
thomas said like we got a lot of bad

1078
00:36:15,030 --> 00:36:12,640
fan mail from people being like well it

1079
00:36:17,270 --> 00:36:15,040
was a broken screen and this and that

1080
00:36:18,870 --> 00:36:17,280
like as if a broken screen is enough for

1081
00:36:21,190 --> 00:36:18,880
somebody to break

1082
00:36:23,109 --> 00:36:21,200
apple's security but so they got a lot

1083
00:36:24,790 --> 00:36:23,119
of flack for that and then he said

1084
00:36:26,550 --> 00:36:24,800
there's also been other times where he

1085
00:36:28,150 --> 00:36:26,560
was in presence of that guy's phone like

1086
00:36:30,230 --> 00:36:28,160
they didn't film it every single time it

1087
00:36:32,150 --> 00:36:30,240
did it especially when they got a shitty

1088
00:36:34,150 --> 00:36:32,160
backlash from people saying oh it's fake

1089
00:36:36,790 --> 00:36:34,160
or whatever but he even said he's like

1090
00:36:38,470 --> 00:36:36,800
that guy had a broken screen yes but it

1091
00:36:40,390 --> 00:36:38,480
was an apple product he goes i've been

1092
00:36:42,310 --> 00:36:40,400
beside him with my android

1093
00:36:44,790 --> 00:36:42,320
and mine was doing the same thing

1094
00:36:47,750 --> 00:36:44,800
so it's not limited to just one guy with

1095
00:36:49,670 --> 00:36:47,760
a wonky phone it's localized but it

1096
00:36:51,510 --> 00:36:49,680
could be multiple people that are able

1097
00:36:53,349 --> 00:36:51,520
to observe that at the same time so i

1098
00:36:55,510 --> 00:36:53,359
thought that was pretty interesting yeah

1099
00:36:57,109 --> 00:36:55,520
absolutely and i think that once it's

1100
00:36:59,349 --> 00:36:57,119
happened in a certain area they're

1101
00:37:01,030 --> 00:36:59,359
obviously doing it to stop us from being

1102
00:37:02,310 --> 00:37:01,040
able to observe them as we're kind of

1103
00:37:04,230 --> 00:37:02,320
getting out of this

1104
00:37:06,790 --> 00:37:04,240
um this way we can't take videos or

1105
00:37:08,710 --> 00:37:06,800
certain certain things like that but but

1106
00:37:10,630 --> 00:37:08,720
everybody within that entire area their

1107
00:37:12,230 --> 00:37:10,640
electronics are going to malfunction so

1108
00:37:14,150 --> 00:37:12,240
i completely agree with that and that's

1109
00:37:15,829 --> 00:37:14,160
exactly how my phone was acting you

1110
00:37:17,670 --> 00:37:15,839
could see it hitting the code buttons a

1111
00:37:20,069 --> 00:37:17,680
million times over and over a different

1112
00:37:21,589 --> 00:37:20,079
screen changing um and it's it's

1113
00:37:23,270 --> 00:37:21,599
fascinating and that's why we started

1114
00:37:25,349 --> 00:37:23,280
this project to be able to figure out

1115
00:37:27,349 --> 00:37:25,359
what this is and how it's affecting it

1116
00:37:30,870 --> 00:37:27,359
you know it's it's cool what's cool

1117
00:37:33,349 --> 00:37:30,880
about the dj the the diesel engine yeah

1118
00:37:34,870 --> 00:37:33,359
that's cool i didn't know that and kufos

1119
00:37:36,950 --> 00:37:34,880
helped us figure that out but they

1120
00:37:39,829 --> 00:37:36,960
didn't know why all of a sudden after

1121
00:37:41,670 --> 00:37:39,839
the 1970s it stopped and once we did our

1122
00:37:43,270 --> 00:37:41,680
research into that you know we're kind

1123
00:37:44,710 --> 00:37:43,280
of using each other's research and

1124
00:37:46,710 --> 00:37:44,720
moving forward to be able to give this

1125
00:37:48,390 --> 00:37:46,720
information to the public and once they

1126
00:37:50,470 --> 00:37:48,400
told us that we were able to find out

1127
00:37:52,630 --> 00:37:50,480
that the emission standards were put in

1128
00:37:54,470 --> 00:37:52,640
place that year to change how the diesel

1129
00:37:57,829 --> 00:37:54,480
engine actually ran for emission

1130
00:37:59,589 --> 00:37:57,839
standards so it's great we'll see that's

1131
00:38:01,430 --> 00:37:59,599
that's the beauty of it when people work

1132
00:38:03,990 --> 00:38:01,440
together and different organizations put

1133
00:38:05,750 --> 00:38:04,000
their knowledge together we can find all

1134
00:38:07,829 --> 00:38:05,760
these different missing pieces that the

1135
00:38:10,470 --> 00:38:07,839
others didn't have and give better

1136
00:38:12,310 --> 00:38:10,480
research and data to the public

1137
00:38:15,349 --> 00:38:12,320
well you look at older vehicles too it's

1138
00:38:17,190 --> 00:38:15,359
mainly carburetion and very low amounts

1139
00:38:19,109 --> 00:38:17,200
of electronics right where right then

1140
00:38:21,349 --> 00:38:19,119
you get into electronic fuel injection

1141
00:38:23,270 --> 00:38:21,359
and distributor caps and rotors and all

1142
00:38:25,030 --> 00:38:23,280
that and now ignition coils and

1143
00:38:26,870 --> 00:38:25,040
everything now i mean we have

1144
00:38:29,030 --> 00:38:26,880
connections in the automotive business

1145
00:38:30,630 --> 00:38:29,040
and nobody has any vehicles on their lot

1146
00:38:32,710 --> 00:38:30,640
because there's no microchips because

1147
00:38:34,550 --> 00:38:32,720
even your window switch has a chip in it

1148
00:38:36,790 --> 00:38:34,560
your knob on your radio has a chip i

1149
00:38:39,030 --> 00:38:36,800
mean the average car has probably 30

1150
00:38:40,190 --> 00:38:39,040
computers if it's got some high-end tech

1151
00:38:42,390 --> 00:38:40,200
not to mention how many little

1152
00:38:44,710 --> 00:38:42,400
microprocessors that all feed into those

1153
00:38:47,030 --> 00:38:44,720
computers right and sensors to keep your

1154
00:38:49,430 --> 00:38:47,040
vehicle running smooth emission

1155
00:38:52,310 --> 00:38:49,440
you know um compliant and that type of

1156
00:38:54,390 --> 00:38:52,320
thing but uh it's basically before it

1157
00:38:56,630 --> 00:38:54,400
used to be a vehicle that had computers

1158
00:38:58,710 --> 00:38:56,640
now it's a computer with four wheels

1159
00:39:00,150 --> 00:38:58,720
yeah you know and hence is the massive

1160
00:39:01,990 --> 00:39:00,160
vehicle shortage that's happening north

1161
00:39:03,910 --> 00:39:02,000
america wide right now yeah they don't

1162
00:39:07,270 --> 00:39:03,920
make nothing like it used to be you know

1163
00:39:09,349 --> 00:39:07,280
my first car was a 1989 cadillac broham

1164
00:39:10,550 --> 00:39:09,359
all metal you know what i mean it was a

1165
00:39:12,310 --> 00:39:10,560
it was a boat

1166
00:39:15,990 --> 00:39:12,320
and uh my girlfriend at the time she had

1167
00:39:18,150 --> 00:39:16,000
a brand new 2019 ford fusion and it

1168
00:39:19,670 --> 00:39:18,160
doesn't even compare so there's a big

1169
00:39:22,470 --> 00:39:19,680
difference and that that also makes a

1170
00:39:25,990 --> 00:39:22,480
difference in the uh the data as well

1171
00:39:27,349 --> 00:39:26,000
well even was talking to a co-worker

1172
00:39:30,230 --> 00:39:27,359
this week and he said just think about

1173
00:39:31,829 --> 00:39:30,240
five years of the evolution of the drone

1174
00:39:33,589 --> 00:39:31,839
like you know you had the original drone

1175
00:39:35,670 --> 00:39:33,599
and you know connect to uh the

1176
00:39:37,670 --> 00:39:35,680
satellites but it didn't do anything

1177
00:39:39,270 --> 00:39:37,680
really really fancy now it's to the

1178
00:39:42,069 --> 00:39:39,280
point where it's idiot-proof like you

1179
00:39:43,670 --> 00:39:42,079
just put glasses on and the drone does

1180
00:39:45,750 --> 00:39:43,680
most of the work itself if you're too

1181
00:39:47,990 --> 00:39:45,760
close to a tree it backs up

1182
00:39:51,030 --> 00:39:48,000
uh it it comes back to you if it gets

1183
00:39:54,230 --> 00:39:51,040
out of range like there's just so much

1184
00:39:56,550 --> 00:39:54,240
growth within such a a small

1185
00:39:58,069 --> 00:39:56,560
amount of years for this drone so you

1186
00:39:59,829 --> 00:39:58,079
got to think you know that's the same

1187
00:40:01,750 --> 00:39:59,839
thing with the evolution of the drone

1188
00:40:03,270 --> 00:40:01,760
think about how far from

1189
00:40:05,510 --> 00:40:03,280
20 years from now what we're going to be

1190
00:40:07,990 --> 00:40:05,520
able to do with these things right

1191
00:40:09,349 --> 00:40:08,000
so technology plays a big part one thing

1192
00:40:11,190 --> 00:40:09,359
i want to ask you i've always wanted to

1193
00:40:12,470 --> 00:40:11,200
do a cattle mutilation have you ever had

1194
00:40:13,910 --> 00:40:12,480
one

1195
00:40:15,430 --> 00:40:13,920
no i can't actually do a cattle

1196
00:40:18,630 --> 00:40:15,440
mutilation like well not actually all

1197
00:40:22,230 --> 00:40:20,470
bring out my knives uh no but i've

1198
00:40:24,470 --> 00:40:22,240
always wanted to investigate one uh i

1199
00:40:25,990 --> 00:40:24,480
never got my you know there's not much

1200
00:40:28,309 --> 00:40:26,000
activity in bc right now with cattle

1201
00:40:29,750 --> 00:40:28,319
mutilations unfortunately but i just was

1202
00:40:31,510 --> 00:40:29,760
wondering if you ever had a chance yes

1203
00:40:33,589 --> 00:40:31,520
ma'am yeah i know exactly

1204
00:40:36,470 --> 00:40:33,599
where are you from what state uh bc

1205
00:40:38,790 --> 00:40:36,480
british columbia okay in canada yeah

1206
00:40:41,349 --> 00:40:38,800
okay yeah now i haven't had any and i've

1207
00:40:44,150 --> 00:40:41,359
been dying to go because i got a smart

1208
00:40:45,349 --> 00:40:44,160
uh telescope or uh microscope and with

1209
00:40:47,030 --> 00:40:45,359
the with the attachment for the

1210
00:40:48,950 --> 00:40:47,040
smartphone so i could take pictures and

1211
00:40:50,470 --> 00:40:48,960
send it to the lab and i've been dying

1212
00:40:52,309 --> 00:40:50,480
to get a case like that man go out in

1213
00:40:54,230 --> 00:40:52,319
the field and take some you know

1214
00:40:55,750 --> 00:40:54,240
materials and and do all that you know

1215
00:40:57,030 --> 00:40:55,760
something called linda moulton house

1216
00:40:59,510 --> 00:40:57,040
should hook you up with some cattle

1217
00:41:00,870 --> 00:40:59,520
mutilation stories yeah absolutely yeah

1218
00:41:02,550 --> 00:41:00,880
that's how you thought the drone would

1219
00:41:04,150 --> 00:41:02,560
come in handy because you could get uh

1220
00:41:06,069 --> 00:41:04,160
something before you approach the site

1221
00:41:08,390 --> 00:41:06,079
you can actually get a good aerial view

1222
00:41:10,710 --> 00:41:08,400
of what happened so yeah uh that's a fun

1223
00:41:12,710 --> 00:41:10,720
we gotta get on the star team too

1224
00:41:13,750 --> 00:41:12,720
that'll be you know the star team is

1225
00:41:15,589 --> 00:41:13,760
yeah

1226
00:41:17,589 --> 00:41:15,599
these guys are crazy because they'll

1227
00:41:19,670 --> 00:41:17,599
actually go out like if you they get a

1228
00:41:21,349 --> 00:41:19,680
call they'll leave at a moment's notice

1229
00:41:23,829 --> 00:41:21,359
get it on a plane and go to your

1230
00:41:24,710 --> 00:41:23,839
location and uh go do the investigation

1231
00:41:26,150 --> 00:41:24,720
which

1232
00:41:28,390 --> 00:41:26,160
i can't do that i just don't have the

1233
00:41:29,990 --> 00:41:28,400
time to do that but uh i'm amazed that

1234
00:41:31,910 --> 00:41:30,000
people actually

1235
00:41:34,230 --> 00:41:31,920
are part of this team and that they'll

1236
00:41:36,150 --> 00:41:34,240
yeah relocate within a matter of hours

1237
00:41:38,069 --> 00:41:36,160
to your location to come see what took

1238
00:41:39,910 --> 00:41:38,079
place especially if there's

1239
00:41:41,670 --> 00:41:39,920
some significant like something landed

1240
00:41:44,309 --> 00:41:41,680
or anything like that in your backyard

1241
00:41:46,390 --> 00:41:44,319
they're there um yeah yeah like i said

1242
00:41:48,150 --> 00:41:46,400
there's different uh for the listeners

1243
00:41:50,230 --> 00:41:48,160
there's definite definitely different uh

1244
00:41:52,710 --> 00:41:50,240
levels in different groups that you can

1245
00:41:53,829 --> 00:41:52,720
do within mufon yeah i always encourage

1246
00:41:55,430 --> 00:41:53,839
people to definitely join the

1247
00:41:58,470 --> 00:41:55,440
organization because it's a great way to

1248
00:41:59,589 --> 00:41:58,480
start to get cases to uh

1249
00:42:01,750 --> 00:41:59,599
you know

1250
00:42:03,270 --> 00:42:01,760
build a career of investigations

1251
00:42:04,550 --> 00:42:03,280
especially if you've always been a couch

1252
00:42:06,309 --> 00:42:04,560
investigator and you want to get

1253
00:42:07,670 --> 00:42:06,319
yourself out there mufon is definitely

1254
00:42:10,309 --> 00:42:07,680
the place to start

1255
00:42:12,309 --> 00:42:10,319
uh before we go let's talk about uh ufo

1256
00:42:13,910 --> 00:42:12,319
encounters worldwide podcast when did

1257
00:42:18,150 --> 00:42:13,920
that start

1258
00:42:19,430 --> 00:42:18,160
year i think in april the end of april

1259
00:42:21,990 --> 00:42:19,440
congratulations

1260
00:42:23,430 --> 00:42:22,000
thank you i appreciate it um yeah and it

1261
00:42:25,670 --> 00:42:23,440
was just one of those things where i was

1262
00:42:27,430 --> 00:42:25,680
like maybe i can just you know get some

1263
00:42:29,270 --> 00:42:27,440
information out to about 10 people a

1264
00:42:31,750 --> 00:42:29,280
week if they want to listen to the

1265
00:42:33,750 --> 00:42:31,760
episode and and i'd be happy with that

1266
00:42:35,030 --> 00:42:33,760
and uh i started doing episodes by

1267
00:42:37,990 --> 00:42:35,040
myself and then i was like let's get

1268
00:42:39,829 --> 00:42:38,000
some guests on and uh now we're a year

1269
00:42:41,990 --> 00:42:39,839
later and i'm on kgra digital

1270
00:42:44,150 --> 00:42:42,000
broadcasting now and i got three

1271
00:42:47,030 --> 00:42:44,160
different sponsors and it's it's it's

1272
00:42:48,230 --> 00:42:47,040
blowing up big and i couldn't be happier

1273
00:42:50,150 --> 00:42:48,240
um

1274
00:42:52,230 --> 00:42:50,160
so it's just something that has really

1275
00:42:53,990 --> 00:42:52,240
gotten to the point where i i never

1276
00:42:56,390 --> 00:42:54,000
would have imagined that it would have

1277
00:42:58,069 --> 00:42:56,400
got to we have our website now

1278
00:42:59,430 --> 00:42:58,079
all kinds of stuff it's just it's really

1279
00:43:01,510 --> 00:42:59,440
good and the listeners are really good

1280
00:43:02,790 --> 00:43:01,520
supporters of the show as well yeah i

1281
00:43:04,710 --> 00:43:02,800
know we definitely recommend your

1282
00:43:06,790 --> 00:43:04,720
podcast uh you got some great guests

1283
00:43:07,750 --> 00:43:06,800
some good content on there as well uh

1284
00:43:11,349 --> 00:43:07,760
what

1285
00:43:14,230 --> 00:43:11,359
that you've had on so far

1286
00:43:16,630 --> 00:43:14,240
uh peter robbins was absolutely amazing

1287
00:43:20,630 --> 00:43:16,640
um we had him we had tom carey don

1288
00:43:23,829 --> 00:43:20,640
schmidt kevin randall uh marty antonio

1289
00:43:26,390 --> 00:43:23,839
charles costa i mean it just goes on and

1290
00:43:27,990 --> 00:43:26,400
on tons of research philip mantle who is

1291
00:43:30,150 --> 00:43:28,000
someone that i'm very dear and close

1292
00:43:32,230 --> 00:43:30,160
with he's my publisher as well

1293
00:43:33,829 --> 00:43:32,240
um so i mean there's just so many

1294
00:43:35,349 --> 00:43:33,839
different people in different aspects

1295
00:43:37,990 --> 00:43:35,359
and i mean i just started having

1296
00:43:38,710 --> 00:43:38,000
paranormal people on and bigfoot people

1297
00:43:41,270 --> 00:43:38,720
on

1298
00:43:43,510 --> 00:43:41,280
um you know documentary filmmakers so i

1299
00:43:45,430 --> 00:43:43,520
try to hit it all you know what i mean

1300
00:43:47,670 --> 00:43:45,440
um and try to get the information out

1301
00:43:50,230 --> 00:43:47,680
and i also had uh this year we started

1302
00:43:52,069 --> 00:43:50,240
our experiencer month so we had all

1303
00:43:53,430 --> 00:43:52,079
month long we had different experiencers

1304
00:43:55,109 --> 00:43:53,440
that want to tell their stories for the

1305
00:43:56,309 --> 00:43:55,119
first time which which was really

1306
00:43:58,710 --> 00:43:56,319
successful

1307
00:44:00,230 --> 00:43:58,720
um they really enjoyed coming on being

1308
00:44:02,069 --> 00:44:00,240
able to tell their stories in a safe

1309
00:44:02,950 --> 00:44:02,079
environment you know and feel okay to

1310
00:44:04,470 --> 00:44:02,960
tell it

1311
00:44:06,550 --> 00:44:04,480
um so that was cool and then we also

1312
00:44:07,910 --> 00:44:06,560
celebrated the month before that women

1313
00:44:10,069 --> 00:44:07,920
in the field

1314
00:44:12,069 --> 00:44:10,079
so different ufologists and paranormal

1315
00:44:13,750 --> 00:44:12,079
investigators are women and celebrate

1316
00:44:15,270 --> 00:44:13,760
them because there's not enough of them

1317
00:44:17,270 --> 00:44:15,280
in the field

1318
00:44:19,030 --> 00:44:17,280
so we're just trying to help in any way

1319
00:44:21,430 --> 00:44:19,040
we can

1320
00:44:23,990 --> 00:44:21,440
and yeah and we're also starting a new

1321
00:44:25,349 --> 00:44:24,000
project which is called the uap medical

1322
00:44:27,190 --> 00:44:25,359
coalition

1323
00:44:28,870 --> 00:44:27,200
um which is just starting we just have

1324
00:44:30,309 --> 00:44:28,880
we just started our um

1325
00:44:33,109 --> 00:44:30,319
our twitter account

1326
00:44:35,990 --> 00:44:33,119
um and we there's it's ted rowe um the

1327
00:44:38,150 --> 00:44:36,000
director of narcap myself and another

1328
00:44:39,589 --> 00:44:38,160
individual that are the founders of it

1329
00:44:41,589 --> 00:44:39,599
and we're putting a team together and

1330
00:44:43,829 --> 00:44:41,599
we're going to help try to

1331
00:44:46,710 --> 00:44:43,839
um you know uh

1332
00:44:49,190 --> 00:44:46,720
brief medical professionals on how to

1333
00:44:51,670 --> 00:44:49,200
maybe help or assist people that have

1334
00:44:53,670 --> 00:44:51,680
been affected by the uap experienced

1335
00:44:55,589 --> 00:44:53,680
experiencers and such because usually

1336
00:44:57,349 --> 00:44:55,599
when when people that are experiences go

1337
00:44:59,670 --> 00:44:57,359
to a medical professional and say hey i

1338
00:45:02,069 --> 00:44:59,680
have aliens abducted me they have no

1339
00:45:04,309 --> 00:45:02,079
idea and they usually misdiagnose people

1340
00:45:06,230 --> 00:45:04,319
um so our goal is to try to we have

1341
00:45:07,030 --> 00:45:06,240
medical professionals on our team to

1342
00:45:08,790 --> 00:45:07,040
help

1343
00:45:10,870 --> 00:45:08,800
brief these medical professionals and

1344
00:45:12,230 --> 00:45:10,880
have no idea how to help them

1345
00:45:14,069 --> 00:45:12,240
um so that's kind of where we're at

1346
00:45:15,990 --> 00:45:14,079
right now and we're starting that up uh

1347
00:45:16,950 --> 00:45:16,000
we're putting a forum together right now

1348
00:45:18,870 --> 00:45:16,960
as well

1349
00:45:20,550 --> 00:45:18,880
um so if you just follow us on the

1350
00:45:22,550 --> 00:45:20,560
twitter account it's you i think it's

1351
00:45:24,470 --> 00:45:22,560
uapmc

1352
00:45:25,750 --> 00:45:24,480
and the website will be out soon so

1353
00:45:28,069 --> 00:45:25,760
we're doing a lot of different stuff

1354
00:45:29,829 --> 00:45:28,079
this year and project that tech is just

1355
00:45:31,430 --> 00:45:29,839
that's been going we start that october

1356
00:45:33,270 --> 00:45:31,440
2021 and

1357
00:45:34,870 --> 00:45:33,280
i mean we've had a lot of people uh

1358
00:45:36,870 --> 00:45:34,880
reporting to a private email it's

1359
00:45:38,630 --> 00:45:36,880
security it can be anonymous

1360
00:45:39,910 --> 00:45:38,640
um so a lot of different stuff going on

1361
00:45:41,270 --> 00:45:39,920
pretty busy

1362
00:45:42,630 --> 00:45:41,280
yeah i bet

1363
00:45:44,069 --> 00:45:42,640
louie do you have any final questions

1364
00:45:45,750 --> 00:45:44,079
for our guest today no we just want to

1365
00:45:46,870 --> 00:45:45,760
extend a big thanks to jesse peak for

1366
00:45:49,030 --> 00:45:46,880
being on the show it's always

1367
00:45:51,109 --> 00:45:49,040
interesting to get the perspective of

1368
00:45:53,109 --> 00:45:51,119
mufon investigators guys that are you

1369
00:45:54,309 --> 00:45:53,119
know better trained observers than the

1370
00:45:55,990 --> 00:45:54,319
average joe

1371
00:45:57,670 --> 00:45:56,000
you do a lot of work a lot of thankless

1372
00:45:59,589 --> 00:45:57,680
work you probably get a lot of flack too

1373
00:46:01,750 --> 00:45:59,599
as you mentioned earlier people

1374
00:46:03,829 --> 00:46:01,760
don't believe your synopsis regardless

1375
00:46:05,910 --> 00:46:03,839
of your credentials so it's a tough job

1376
00:46:07,750 --> 00:46:05,920
you take a head kicking jason knows all

1377
00:46:08,950 --> 00:46:07,760
about that as well but yeah we just want

1378
00:46:11,109 --> 00:46:08,960
to say thanks for coming on the show

1379
00:46:12,550 --> 00:46:11,119
taking time out of your schedule and

1380
00:46:14,630 --> 00:46:12,560
sharing little tidbits with our audience

1381
00:46:15,990 --> 00:46:14,640
we really appreciate it yeah thank you

1382
00:46:17,670 --> 00:46:16,000
it was an honor to come on and be able

1383
00:46:19,430 --> 00:46:17,680
to chat with you guys and have a good

1384
00:46:21,670 --> 00:46:19,440
conversation and

1385
00:46:24,110 --> 00:46:21,680
you know we'll do it again sometime